Comments on: Why I miss 4Kids Entertainment, and the problems with Saban’s Vortexx http://www.toonbarn.com/pokemon/4kids-entertainment-problems-sabans-vortexx/ Cartoon news from Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, The Hub, Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks, CG animation, anime, movies, or any kind of cartoons! Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:34:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.8 By: Adam http://www.toonbarn.com/pokemon/4kids-entertainment-problems-sabans-vortexx/#comment-20011 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:54:48 +0000 http://www.toonbarn.com/?p=40285#comment-20011 4kids butchered anime by heavily censoring scenes, characters, dialog and other stuff,… there’s a reason no one likes 4kids dubbed version of the anime they got a hold of

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By: Ramona http://www.toonbarn.com/pokemon/4kids-entertainment-problems-sabans-vortexx/#comment-18627 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 00:27:11 +0000 http://www.toonbarn.com/?p=40285#comment-18627 bring back yami and yugi there are so many fans , im pretty sure there would be more with this gen.

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By: Ziro http://www.toonbarn.com/pokemon/4kids-entertainment-problems-sabans-vortexx/#comment-18539 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:33:06 +0000 http://www.toonbarn.com/?p=40285#comment-18539 Hey.

I liked their website – the old one, not the recently revamped one. I liked how you could put the secret code in that they showed on TV to get some points added to your account. I especially liked the OLD arcade. The forums were alright too. I also liked chatting with “admin”, as well as many of the other members with whom I had spoken on a regular bases. 😀

I never understood why so many people hated on the English versions of many of their cartoons. They didn’t like the dubs. They didn’t like the English voice actors. They seemed fine to me. I just didn’t get it. :\

There was this one show that they were running for a short while: Mew Mew Power (I think it was Tokyo Mew or something). From what I understand, the show had 52 episodes, but 4Kids was only able to prepare 26 of them. I wish they were able to finish that project.

I also liked G.I. Joe Sigma 6. Would have also liked to see how that one ended.

As for work conditions, I can’t vouch for those, but I did try to pitch my Flash game to them once. This was back when they still had their old arcade. Basically, they game me the run-around. After showing them the game, they first brought FlashGameLicense, now known as simply FLG to my attention, which I had long since been familiar with that sight. In fact, this game has already been sponsored using the services of that site. Second, they said something about some waiting list, which I had no problem being on, but I never heard from them again after that. Some of you may know this game as Blast Force, and of course, it ended up right here on Toonbarn instead. 😉

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By: Novid http://www.toonbarn.com/pokemon/4kids-entertainment-problems-sabans-vortexx/#comment-18531 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 02:51:54 +0000 http://www.toonbarn.com/?p=40285#comment-18531 As for the work conditions, this is true with many of the smaller tier kids companies. Saban was the same way in the 1990’s, so was DiC. Titmouse has one side Union (Cali) and the other non Union (NYC). The difference is that that company does respect the workers despite the 12 hour days they work on the shows. 4Kids has some leeway, because Al Kahn wasn’t worth billions as Saban or Andy Heyward were. But to be fair to your point, they could have done a lot better for themselves and their employees new and old. Saban is the same way then (having people under the employ still that has used anti-gay slurs against a actor etc) as he is now.

What was needed now, is new leadership. Jason Demarco and Danny Choo in my opinion are the only ones who can possibly reach the youth in the US and treat their employees with respect. The sad thing is that Mr Demarco has been constrained budget wise with Toonami (because Turners focus is on revamping CNN and keeping NBA rights) and Mr Choo is too busy trying to keep a good face on a Diet (Japanese Parliament) and Japanese Administration that is heading towards fascism.

As for making unauthorized changes – this is the problem with the history concerning one piece in particular. The issue stems from what I stated before – 4kids was caught in a generational change. In which these changes are post modern – see tumblr for example. Anime is seen more as a form of a darker form of Animation or a freer form of animation. That’s why there is a such a split between both the Video Game Industry and the rest of Nerd culture between western art and Japanese. The “dudebros” want more Star Wars/Marvel/Call of Duty Hollywood style works, while the NeoOtaku wants all of what New Protocuture (Moe) entails.

This is a style clash and a cultural/demographic clash. One side remembers the era of what anime was (Dragon Ball Z and the like) and the other sees what anime has become (Lucky Star, Strike Witches) and the two may never see eye to eye. That’s part of the reason why One Piece was the breakup of the two sides. They didn’t like the censorship at all, but one side felt if anime wasn’t going to be shown the way it was meant to be shown, what was the point (and they went back to Marvel etc) while the other cheated the system and created Crunchyroll and a new culture with it (along with 4Chan and the like).

These are also some of the reasons why My Little Pony has become successful. The break up also effected what shows were going to succeed.

Thanks again for your response.

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By: Megan http://www.toonbarn.com/pokemon/4kids-entertainment-problems-sabans-vortexx/#comment-18530 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:47:37 +0000 http://www.toonbarn.com/?p=40285#comment-18530 I’d say what else lead to 4Kids downfall is the treatment of their employees. My husband had a teacher in uni who worked for 4Kids before going to teach at that school. 4Kids treats their employees like less than human.

They also were making unauthorized changes to certain shows which lead to their bankruptcy. So I can’t really show any sadness for the loss of 4Kids.

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